Hello, I'm new to LogBack and I was wondering why log methods do not have a varargs version, so that one does not need to construct an array of parameter objects. Thanks, Zohar.
Hello Zohar, Thanks for using logback! :) Logback classic natively implements the SLF4J API[1] so that one can readily switch back and forth between logback and other logging systems. Actually, ch.qos.logback.classic.Logger directly extends org.slf4j.Logger. Since SLF4J is JDK 1.4 compatible, it cannot use any JDK 1.5 goodies, varargs included. Therefore, the part of logback that directly implements SLF4J is bound to the same constraint. Hope this answers your question, Sébastien Links: [1]: http://www.slf4j.org david_fire4@hotmail.com wrote :
Hello, I'm new to LogBack and I was wondering why log methods do not have a varargs version, so that one does not need to construct an array of parameter objects. Thanks, Zohar. _______________________________________________ Logback-user mailing list Logback-user@qos.ch http://qos.ch/mailman/listinfo/logback-user
-- Sébastien Pennec sebastien@qos.ch Logback: The reliable, generic, fast and flexible logging framework for Java. http://logback.qos.ch/
Hello Sébastien, Good answer... ;) Any chance of seeing an slf4j interface with varargs in the near future? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sebastien Pennec" <sebastien@qos.ch> To: "logback users list" <logback-user@qos.ch> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:02 Subject: Re: [logback-user] varargs
Hello Zohar,
Thanks for using logback! :)
Logback classic natively implements the SLF4J API[1] so that one can readily switch back and forth between logback and other logging systems. Actually, ch.qos.logback.classic.Logger directly extends org.slf4j.Logger.
Since SLF4J is JDK 1.4 compatible, it cannot use any JDK 1.5 goodies, varargs included. Therefore, the part of logback that directly implements SLF4J is bound to the same constraint.
Hope this answers your question,
Sébastien
Links: [1]: http://www.slf4j.org
david_fire4@hotmail.com wrote :
Hello, I'm new to LogBack and I was wondering why log methods do not have a varargs version, so that one does not need to construct an array of parameter objects. Thanks, Zohar. _______________________________________________ Logback-user mailing list Logback-user@qos.ch http://qos.ch/mailman/listinfo/logback-user
-- Sébastien Pennec sebastien@qos.ch
Logback: The reliable, generic, fast and flexible logging framework for Java. http://logback.qos.ch/
_______________________________________________ Logback-user mailing list Logback-user@qos.ch http://qos.ch/mailman/listinfo/logback-user
Hello, Well, I guess that Ceki, the main author of SLF4J would answer this with more inside knowledge of SLF4J... But my guess would be that SLF4J will stay JKD 1.4 compatible for some more time... maybe a year, and probably more... Quite a lot of active development still use JDK 1.4, and it's not the point of SLF4J to push toward JDK 1.5, but rather to be a simple and widely compatible facade that lets user choose freely their logging framework. As long as many developments use JKD 1.4 and some major logging framework also use this version of the JDK, I guess SLF4J will not break JDK 1.4 compatibility. Convinced? :) Sébastien david_fire4@hotmail.com a écrit :
Hello Sébastien, Good answer... ;) Any chance of seeing an slf4j interface with varargs in the near future?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sebastien Pennec" <sebastien@qos.ch> To: "logback users list" <logback-user@qos.ch> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:02 Subject: Re: [logback-user] varargs
Hello Zohar,
Thanks for using logback! :)
Logback classic natively implements the SLF4J API[1] so that one can readily switch back and forth between logback and other logging systems. Actually, ch.qos.logback.classic.Logger directly extends org.slf4j.Logger.
Since SLF4J is JDK 1.4 compatible, it cannot use any JDK 1.5 goodies, varargs included. Therefore, the part of logback that directly implements SLF4J is bound to the same constraint.
Hope this answers your question,
Sébastien
Links: [1]: http://www.slf4j.org
david_fire4@hotmail.com wrote :
Hello, I'm new to LogBack and I was wondering why log methods do not have a varargs version, so that one does not need to construct an array of parameter objects. Thanks, Zohar. _______________________________________________ Logback-user mailing list Logback-user@qos.ch http://qos.ch/mailman/listinfo/logback-user
-- Sébastien Pennec sebastien@qos.ch
Logback: The reliable, generic, fast and flexible logging framework for Java. http://logback.qos.ch/
_______________________________________________ Logback-user mailing list Logback-user@qos.ch http://qos.ch/mailman/listinfo/logback-user
_______________________________________________ Logback-user mailing list Logback-user@qos.ch http://qos.ch/mailman/listinfo/logback-user
-- Sébastien Pennec sebastien@qos.ch Logback: The reliable, generic, fast and flexible logging framework for Java. http://logback.qos.ch/
Convinced, but... ;) This is probably not the right list for this discussion (btw: what is the relationship between slf4j and logback?), but can't there be an slf4j version for Java 5 and one for 1.4? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sebastien Pennec" <sebastien@qos.ch> To: "logback users list" <logback-user@qos.ch> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:57 Subject: Re: [logback-user] varargs
Hello,
Well, I guess that Ceki, the main author of SLF4J would answer this with more inside knowledge of SLF4J...
But my guess would be that SLF4J will stay JKD 1.4 compatible for some more time... maybe a year, and probably more...
Quite a lot of active development still use JDK 1.4, and it's not the point of SLF4J to push toward JDK 1.5, but rather to be a simple and widely compatible facade that lets user choose freely their logging framework. As long as many developments use JKD 1.4 and some major logging framework also use this version of the JDK, I guess SLF4J will not break JDK 1.4 compatibility.
Convinced? :)
Sébastien
david_fire4@hotmail.com a écrit :
Hello Sébastien, Good answer... ;) Any chance of seeing an slf4j interface with varargs in the near future?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sebastien Pennec" <sebastien@qos.ch> To: "logback users list" <logback-user@qos.ch> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:02 Subject: Re: [logback-user] varargs
Hello Zohar,
Thanks for using logback! :)
Logback classic natively implements the SLF4J API[1] so that one can readily switch back and forth between logback and other logging systems. Actually, ch.qos.logback.classic.Logger directly extends org.slf4j.Logger.
Since SLF4J is JDK 1.4 compatible, it cannot use any JDK 1.5 goodies, varargs included. Therefore, the part of logback that directly implements SLF4J is bound to the same constraint.
Hope this answers your question,
Sébastien
Links: [1]: http://www.slf4j.org
david_fire4@hotmail.com wrote :
Hello, I'm new to LogBack and I was wondering why log methods do not have a varargs version, so that one does not need to construct an array of parameter objects. Thanks, Zohar. _______________________________________________ Logback-user mailing list Logback-user@qos.ch http://qos.ch/mailman/listinfo/logback-user
-- Sébastien Pennec sebastien@qos.ch
Logback: The reliable, generic, fast and flexible logging framework for Java. http://logback.qos.ch/
_______________________________________________ Logback-user mailing list Logback-user@qos.ch http://qos.ch/mailman/listinfo/logback-user
_______________________________________________ Logback-user mailing list Logback-user@qos.ch http://qos.ch/mailman/listinfo/logback-user
-- Sébastien Pennec sebastien@qos.ch
Logback: The reliable, generic, fast and flexible logging framework for Java. http://logback.qos.ch/ _______________________________________________ Logback-user mailing list Logback-user@qos.ch http://qos.ch/mailman/listinfo/logback-user
Hello, You are right: if you want to start a debate on the reasons for JDK 1.4 compatibility of SLF4J, you might have a better result in starting it around there[1]. :) About the relationship between SLF4J and logback, we strongly believe that, by using SLF4J, users will have the most freedom. Using SLF4J is a prudent choice for developers, letting them choose their logging framework of choice at deployment time. On the other hand, we are building logback and it really is a great framework. It has a broader scope than other frameworks, a different architecture and is built on work done by Ceki (log4j's founder and author of most of the code) for log4j 1.2 and 1.3. Logback also contains quite a few new possibilities. For more informations, you might want to take a look at the presentation we are working on. Ceki will be soon presenting in Geneva the top 10 reasons for migrating to logback. There is a powerpoint file[2] online that is pretty interesting. Sébastien [1]http://www.slf4j.org/mailing-lists.html [2]http://logback.qos.ch/10reasons.ppt david_fire4@hotmail.com a écrit :
Convinced, but... ;) This is probably not the right list for this discussion (btw: what is the relationship between slf4j and logback?), but can't there be an slf4j version for Java 5 and one for 1.4?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sebastien Pennec" <sebastien@qos.ch> To: "logback users list" <logback-user@qos.ch> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:57 Subject: Re: [logback-user] varargs
Hello,
Well, I guess that Ceki, the main author of SLF4J would answer this with more inside knowledge of SLF4J...
But my guess would be that SLF4J will stay JKD 1.4 compatible for some more time... maybe a year, and probably more...
Quite a lot of active development still use JDK 1.4, and it's not the point of SLF4J to push toward JDK 1.5, but rather to be a simple and widely compatible facade that lets user choose freely their logging framework. As long as many developments use JKD 1.4 and some major logging framework also use this version of the JDK, I guess SLF4J will not break JDK 1.4 compatibility.
Convinced? :)
Sébastien
david_fire4@hotmail.com a écrit :
Hello Sébastien, Good answer... ;) Any chance of seeing an slf4j interface with varargs in the near future?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sebastien Pennec" <sebastien@qos.ch> To: "logback users list" <logback-user@qos.ch> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:02 Subject: Re: [logback-user] varargs
Hello Zohar,
Thanks for using logback! :)
Logback classic natively implements the SLF4J API[1] so that one can readily switch back and forth between logback and other logging systems. Actually, ch.qos.logback.classic.Logger directly extends org.slf4j.Logger.
Since SLF4J is JDK 1.4 compatible, it cannot use any JDK 1.5 goodies, varargs included. Therefore, the part of logback that directly implements SLF4J is bound to the same constraint.
Hope this answers your question,
Sébastien
Links: [1]: http://www.slf4j.org
david_fire4@hotmail.com wrote :
Hello, I'm new to LogBack and I was wondering why log methods do not have a varargs version, so that one does not need to construct an array of parameter objects. Thanks, Zohar. _______________________________________________ Logback-user mailing list Logback-user@qos.ch http://qos.ch/mailman/listinfo/logback-user
-- Sébastien Pennec sebastien@qos.ch
Logback: The reliable, generic, fast and flexible logging framework for Java. http://logback.qos.ch/
_______________________________________________ Logback-user mailing list Logback-user@qos.ch http://qos.ch/mailman/listinfo/logback-user
_______________________________________________ Logback-user mailing list Logback-user@qos.ch http://qos.ch/mailman/listinfo/logback-user
-- Sébastien Pennec sebastien@qos.ch
Logback: The reliable, generic, fast and flexible logging framework for Java. http://logback.qos.ch/ _______________________________________________ Logback-user mailing list Logback-user@qos.ch http://qos.ch/mailman/listinfo/logback-user
_______________________________________________ Logback-user mailing list Logback-user@qos.ch http://qos.ch/mailman/listinfo/logback-user
-- Sébastien Pennec sebastien@qos.ch Logback: The reliable, generic, fast and flexible logging framework for Java. http://logback.qos.ch/
Just so if anyone finds this interesting (I hate finding the topic I need without it's resolution)... Well, I did start a discussion on the slf4j list, only I wasn't the first one to do so... It turns out that there will probably be a Java5 version of slf4j 1.1 (expected by the end of the year), which will support varargs. An accompanying Logback version should follow shortly after that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sebastien Pennec" <sebastien@qos.ch> To: "logback users list" <logback-user@qos.ch> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:00 Subject: Re: [logback-user] varargs
Hello,
You are right: if you want to start a debate on the reasons for JDK 1.4 compatibility of SLF4J, you might have a better result in starting it around there[1]. :)
About the relationship between SLF4J and logback, we strongly believe that, by using SLF4J, users will have the most freedom. Using SLF4J is a prudent choice for developers, letting them choose their logging framework of choice at deployment time.
On the other hand, we are building logback and it really is a great framework. It has a broader scope than other frameworks, a different architecture and is built on work done by Ceki (log4j's founder and author of most of the code) for log4j 1.2 and 1.3. Logback also contains quite a few new possibilities.
For more informations, you might want to take a look at the presentation we are working on. Ceki will be soon presenting in Geneva the top 10 reasons for migrating to logback. There is a powerpoint file[2] online that is pretty interesting.
Sébastien
[1]http://www.slf4j.org/mailing-lists.html [2]http://logback.qos.ch/10reasons.ppt
david_fire4@hotmail.com a écrit :
Convinced, but... ;) This is probably not the right list for this discussion (btw: what is the relationship between slf4j and logback?), but can't there be an slf4j version for Java 5 and one for 1.4?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sebastien Pennec" <sebastien@qos.ch> To: "logback users list" <logback-user@qos.ch> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:57 Subject: Re: [logback-user] varargs
Hello,
Well, I guess that Ceki, the main author of SLF4J would answer this with more inside knowledge of SLF4J...
But my guess would be that SLF4J will stay JKD 1.4 compatible for some more time... maybe a year, and probably more...
Quite a lot of active development still use JDK 1.4, and it's not the point of SLF4J to push toward JDK 1.5, but rather to be a simple and widely compatible facade that lets user choose freely their logging framework. As long as many developments use JKD 1.4 and some major logging framework also use this version of the JDK, I guess SLF4J will not break JDK 1.4 compatibility.
Convinced? :)
Sébastien
david_fire4@hotmail.com a écrit :
Hello Sébastien, Good answer... ;) Any chance of seeing an slf4j interface with varargs in the near future?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sebastien Pennec" <sebastien@qos.ch> To: "logback users list" <logback-user@qos.ch> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:02 Subject: Re: [logback-user] varargs
Hello Zohar,
Thanks for using logback! :)
Logback classic natively implements the SLF4J API[1] so that one can readily switch back and forth between logback and other logging systems. Actually, ch.qos.logback.classic.Logger directly extends org.slf4j.Logger.
Since SLF4J is JDK 1.4 compatible, it cannot use any JDK 1.5 goodies, varargs included. Therefore, the part of logback that directly implements SLF4J is bound to the same constraint.
Hope this answers your question,
Sébastien
Links: [1]: http://www.slf4j.org
david_fire4@hotmail.com wrote :
Hello, I'm new to LogBack and I was wondering why log methods do not have a varargs version, so that one does not need to construct an array of parameter objects. Thanks, Zohar. _______________________________________________ Logback-user mailing list Logback-user@qos.ch http://qos.ch/mailman/listinfo/logback-user
-- Sébastien Pennec sebastien@qos.ch
Logback: The reliable, generic, fast and flexible logging framework for Java. http://logback.qos.ch/
_______________________________________________ Logback-user mailing list Logback-user@qos.ch http://qos.ch/mailman/listinfo/logback-user
_______________________________________________ Logback-user mailing list Logback-user@qos.ch http://qos.ch/mailman/listinfo/logback-user
-- Sébastien Pennec sebastien@qos.ch
Logback: The reliable, generic, fast and flexible logging framework for Java. http://logback.qos.ch/ _______________________________________________ Logback-user mailing list Logback-user@qos.ch http://qos.ch/mailman/listinfo/logback-user
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-- Sébastien Pennec sebastien@qos.ch
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